Among our most anticipated products is one concept that ironically has the greatest uphill battle for production: a double stack mag for the Hi Point rifle in our MBS 95 stock. We get asked about it a lot and ever since floating it as an idea, it's generated a fair amount of discussion on forums and customer interactions. We always knew there was a possibility that a double stack mag could one day exist, and with that in mind, we designed the MBS 95 to have a removable magazine bushing in the magwell to provide the space needed should that elusive double stack ever manifest itself. This got a lot of folks excited, and understandably so. We've been looking at this product concept seriously for a long time now and still get questions regularly on it. So where is it at? Why has it taken so long to make one? Will we ever make one? The short answer is, a double stack magazine concept is still in its infancy and it's possible that will be where it stays for some time. The long answer involves a more technically thorough explanation which we are happy to go into, if you care to read on.
The double stack MBS 95 magazine faces a few challenges. Unfortunately, due to the shape of the Hi Point receiver, it's not quite as simple as incorporating an existing magazine like for Glock or Springfield. A dedicated magazine needs to be designed and built around the geometry of the gun itself. Thus, the double stack column must be reduced to a single stack for a greater distance than is common in most magazines. This isn't an impossible feat, but since it requires an all new design, it also poses new challenges.
Principally, magazines are expensive to design and manufacture, and are highly susceptible to functional issues from even minor tolerance changes from lot to lot. Making them, especially stamped metal double stack mags, takes a good deal of skill and know-how in the manufacturing realm to maintain the reliability and consistency needed to make them work every time. This level of precision is not something every shop can handle and will require large investments in specialized tooling to make such complex parts. Bluntly put, mags are expensive and there isn't much margin to work with. Essentially, we need to make enough on each mag to recoup the costs of design and manufacture, but we also can't price them so high no one buys them.
Furthermore, it is from economies of scale that magazines can be made affordably enough to make them both economically viable as a product and practically priced for the end user. Here's the second major hurdle for this design: the magazine will only fit our MBS 95 stock and it will only work with the specified caliber. This means the market for each caliber of double stack mag is only as large as the pool of existing and future owners of our MBS 95. Even then, many MBS 95 owners live in states where a double stack, higher capacity mag cannot be shipped. Instead of millions of Hi Point owners, our market is the fraction of those who also own our stock.
Until we sell enough stocks that we can confidently pursue a double stack mag, we just can't guarantee anything. We realize this isn't satisfying as an answer but that's the truth of the situation. The good news is, the stock was designed from day 1 with this in mind so even old models can be adapted when the time is right. Until then, we cannot begin to express our gratitude for your business, patience, and support! Thank you so much!
If you can ever manufacture a 9mm double stack, I'd order a couple as soon as you announce them being available.
I think you missed an important fact. If your stock had double stack magazines for it, I guarantee you would sell more stocks. Probably a lot of them. I already own one, but if I didn't and 15 or 20 round mags (that aren't giant bananas) were only available with one, I would do it, instantly. Not only that, I would buy a second HP carbine and a another HTA stock with mags. I genuinely think you should solve the problem to working prototype, demonstrate it, and you won't even know how to handle the success. Success that could very likely send your company into a new realm of production capability. Worth mentioning, you could also consider making a non-bullpup stock that uses the same magazine, has an insert for factory mag compatibility and capture the audience that do not like bullpups, but also want double mag. It wouldn't be unreasonable to drop $600 to 700 bucks on a HP carbine with a better stock AND the holy grail of HP desires, more than 10 rounds without looking stupid and being tactically useless. I truly believe is you do the engineering work, everything else will fall into place. It is the largest gripe of HP owners and HP detractors, next to the ugliness of the gun. Solve both and you will be gold. Btw, love the bullpup! I was on the early list ??
High Tower Armory, LLC
Hello Donovan! We definitely understand that perspective but there isn't a guarantee of increased sales and perhaps most importantly, that the mags will work. They are hard to prototype due to manufacturing method limitations- a stamped mag requires tools which can be expensive to make. There are also a lot of other factors we take into consideration but the big ones are simple economics. We will continue working on the design concepts where we can but for now we are in a holding pattern of sorts. We appreciate you bearing with us and for your business!
Honestly, I would pay 50 bucks for a double stacked hipoint mag.
How bout a slight longer 15rd.
It would be really easy and yes they would work. Redball already did it for their .45 20 round mags. They are single to double stack hybrid. Infact you can cut the single stack portion about 2 inch shorter so that its double stack as soon as it leaved the receiver so for the rest of the magwell and outside the gun is double stack. modifying a redball mag you end up with a short 15 or 16 round magazine only like a half inch longer than a glock mag. but if yall made a new mag like that then you could easily fit a 30 round magazine that only stuck out the magwell about 3" way more compact than what it currently is.
If you ever do make a double stack magazine I hope you start with the 10 mmr. You can already buy 20 rd mags for 9 mm and 45 cap.
Have y’all thought about partnering with a magazine manufacturer? I honestly don’t know how it would work from a business perspective. But I mean I think if y’all and the people at red ball worked together y’all would both benefit from the sales. I guarantee you the biggest response I’ve seen about my gun is that people would get the hi point and stock if it weren’t for the capacity. I dunno just an idea
Why do you think the magazine must be stamped? Magpul makes them out of synthetic plastic just like your stocks. You act like your product is not good enough to generate new interest. The only reason I bought your bullpup stock was because your company stated that Hi-Point was going to make a double stack mag for the Yeet Cannon 9mm. Which obviously never took place. Also the idea of my aking a stock that was not a bullpup is a great idea and would definitely increase your sales. The biggest setback of the bullpup is it's horrible trigger pull. The linkage understandably makes it difficult. The first step to improving that would be a lighter original trigger pull to be improved upon. By now Hightower has surely sold a tremendous amount of stocks and would greatly improve if a double stack 9mm mag was created. It's not as difficult as you make it sound. It can be easily accomplished. Have faith in your product or you will turn me any away.
Any updates as far as the double stack mag?
can you tell us how the sales are so far? better than you projected? have more than you thought you would in your warehouses? I just wanna get the idea and i’m sure i’m not the only one! a double stack magazine would definitely be game changing(saying 20 is the limit anyone manufactures, 10 from factory) . and if you were to advertise enough i’m sure it would get out there!
Hi HTA! I am actually working on developing one now, and would like to know how possible it would be to get in contract with someone that could provide the exact dimensions of the space available once the plug is removed. I AM NOT ASKING FOR THE ENTIRE PLAFORMS DIMENSIONS.
You make a great product, naturally I'd be getting some mags if they were produced but the economic and logistics have to line up . Keep on keeping on ??
Just out of honest courtesy what kind of donation/investment would be needed to truly start a concept run?
High Tower Armory, LLC
Hello Dennis! A magazine will generally cost between $100,000-250,000 to develop so it's not a cheap undertaking haha. That said, if you're donating to anyone, donate to someone who will help make the world a better place and we will keep plugging away on these concepts with our resources. We appreciate it! HTA Support Team
I think you are looking at it in the wrong direction. You don’t need to make your own magazine but make an adapter to take someone else magazine. You would not have to have the tooling to make magazines but you could use the tooling you already have to adapt a current magazine already out there. I would look at the m&p shield. The magazine goes from single stack to double stack. If you could make some adapter to take those magazines you would be able to sell that and more stocks. I think you have a solid product and you guys and gals are on the right track. Keep up the good work.
High Tower Armory, LLC
Hello Ammon- thank you for your message and kind words! The issue is that the receiver of the Hi Point will only work with a specific shape not found on other existing magazines which is why we'd need to make our own. Hope that helps shed some light on the scope of the issue and thank you again!